Never Chase a Title (and what you should chase) | Kelly O. Kay
A CEO search for a big-brand public company. A name comes up, and the chairman of the nominating and governance committee shuts it down. He knew that person 20 years ago, and that person was a jerk. A reputation from two decades back… Show full show notes Hide full show notes
A CEO search for a big-brand public company. A name comes up, and the chairman of the nominating and governance committee shuts it down. He knew that person 20 years ago, and that person was a jerk. A reputation from two decades back, settled in one sentence, in a room the candidate never saw.
Kelly O. Kay, a partner at Heidrick & Struggles and co-author of Show Up to Win, was working that search. He tells his six kids never to chase money, and he tells executives never to chase a title. Chase the CEO title and you'll get it, at a company you won't want to run.
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We get into why saying yes to a conversation while you're happy isn't disloyal, and why competitive leaders win the process and then can't say whether they want the job. I tell Kelly about the job I took for the title and the money, and hated. His answer: they question your judgment, so call out what you missed. Do that, and a short stint stops being a hole in the résumé. His advice for a role you've never held sounds like weakness and reads as strength: ask for a coach as part of the negotiation.
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